Flirting And The Italian Man
Before I met my girlfriend in college, I tried many ways to meet and possibly get into a relationship with a girl. Well, there’s the “we-share-interests” approach, but that only works if you do share interests with the girl (and it’s hard to find a girl in a bar with a passion for computer games). There’s also the “let-me-buy-you-a-drink” approach, which doesn’t really work, but I’ve never tried using a cheesy pick-up line just to get a girl’s attention. You know, “Is your dad a terrorist? Because you’re the bomb baby!” That’s just pathetic. However, I learned how to be a good flirt when I became buddies with an Italian man that I met in class.
Dating Research, Marketing and Retention Curves
Cleaning out the draft blog folder today, a bunch of posts from all over the place I hope you will find interesting and inspiring.
Matt Humphrey of Bumba Labs on User Retention Curves (Andrew Chen)
It’s easy to think of retention percentages in the 90’s as good. It just feels good. But over the course of time, products in the low-to-mid 90’s will fade super-fast, and ones only slightly more sticky will do much, much better. Single percentage points here are mission critical, that’s why attention to detail and rigorous analytics become so important on the web.
Online dating sites are going to have to dig deeper into analytics and Customer Relationship Management. I was glad to hear this mentioned all too briefly at the final iDate LA panel.
Sense Networks gets $6M in hotly contested deal for “tribe” advertising.
Sense doesn’t require a direct relationship with the consumer. Instead, it might partner with companies like mobile social networking company, Loopt, for example. After I’ve opted in to use Loopt’s service, that service gets updates from my GPS-enabled phone about where I am at any given time. Loopt then provides that data to Sense, which anonymizes the data (Sense isn’t interested in identifying your name or other specific information about you), and can help Loopt run more relevant advertising.
This could be a great idea for dating sites as well. I brought this up the concept in one of the mobile sessions at iDate. Everyone freaks out about anonymity though, which is simply a challenge to overcome and should not keep the dating industry from embracing location-based services of all types, not just mobile.
I see a lot of pr0n sites (early adopters as always) using technology similar to Live Face. Talking heads on dating sites might work, it’s all in the copywriting.
SpyFu shows what the competition is paying for keywords like online dating.
SeleniumHQ Web application testing system.
Will dating sites suffer from Data Center Overload?(NY Times).
Utherverse, an adult 3D social/dating network.
Michael Norton worked on the paper People Are Experience Goods: Improving Online Dating with Virtual Dates with professor Dan Ariely. Ravit at Omnidate references this paper often.
Eric Klaassen at Dating Facts wrote about a recent research study, Online dater search too long, and too little dating. (translated).
Researchers Skeptical of Claims by Online Dating Sites.
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PlentyofFish Gets into Rap
Guess what dating site features a rap video? It took a while for me to find it, here’s the link to the Flo Rida video on PlentyofFish. The video says “Even music stars find love on POF…” Did Flo Rida find a date in POF? That would be great free publicity for the site if it’s true.
The video has the POF website featured in the background, which seems like a first for a rap video. Not exactly Must Love Dogs, but popular rap videos and POF just might be a good match. POF users, prepare for an onslaught of thugz and playas comin’ at ya (is this a good thing?) I hear eHarmony is cutting a deal to feature Christian devotional songs on the home page. I joke.
POF, check your spelling of Flo Rida in the press release. Took me a moment to figure out that Flo Rida=Florida.
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BBW Beauty Is The New Look For The Season
The stick-thin figure is so last century. The new look of the season is big and chunky. That’s right, BBW beauty is in and I sincerely hope that this will make BBW dating more appealing. Truth is, I’m a guy with a juicy booty and even though I’m proud of it, it was still hard to get a date when I was single. I hope this new trend will crossover to the dating game, so it will make finding love easier for those who are big and unattached. Anyway, before anyone can go out and start playing the field, one must be armed with tough skin and confidence that will make them stand out.
iDate LA 2009 Recap
Let’s hear it for sunburn, jet-lag and being back in rainy Boston. Last week was in LA to meet with clients who were attending the iDate LA conference so I decided to stop by the show to check out the west coast version of iDate.
For those of you who have never been to an iDate event, a quick primer. iDate has been around long enough to be considered a must-attend event for the online dating industry. It has the unique position of being the only dating conference in the US. There was a previous conference organizer, SITRAS, which folded after only two shows. Turns out that at the time the US dating industry could only support one show a year. iDate runs two US shows a year, one held in the Jan-Feb time frame in Miami and a summer show in Los Angeles. There are also European and Asian versions of the conference. Most major US and some EU and Asian players invested in the online dating industry attend the Miami show. However, many of them don’t go to LA unless that’s their back yard.
Given the importance of an event of this magnitude, a large number of people came up to me during every iDate show show to give me their personal assessment, some of which I have included below, along with my own observations. Feedback came from a wide spectrum of people, from first timers and speakers to people and companies who have spent tens of thousands of dollars on sponsorships and entry fees over the years.
To get an unbiased reaction to the show, let’s hear from @aprilblackbox, who did this video review of iDate LA. I started the #idatela2009 hashtag on Twitter. Only 4 messages which was disappointing. April’s tweet was “@ “idate” conference in LA.dominated by white men & theres zero inovation.classic rinse & repeat of what’s out there:pay 2 look at profiles.” There’s your unbiased opinion.
Overall, the consensus seems to be that the conference is stuck in first gear. For the $100-$300,000 that these shows bring the organizers, attendees think they deserve a better experience overall. What then, are the perceived issues with iDate?
For the most part the sessions aren’t delivering the content, insight and commentary that industry executives expect. This is the number one statement I heard from attendees. Topically, the sessions need to be improved to better reflect the interests of online dating executives. Where, for example, are the sessions on acquiring, driving and trading traffic between dating sites and social networks? What about technology issues, or dating software? Where is the track on usability and user testing? These are the topics I focus on with my dating industry clients, where is the external support and discussion for these pressing issues? The lack of any focus on these common denominators is a source of frustration for attendees. Their words, not mine.
There are issues with the conference which clearly need attention. None of the changes required are rocket science, it’s about listening to your customers, especially when their are other options emerging for connecting with our peers and learning about industry best practices and vendor exposure.
Attendees want more from the industry overview. The industry is hungry for insight and commentary. We know where we are, where are we going?
Areas where sessions need improvement: moderators need to ask more/better questions and keep the energy in the room flowing. And the microphones should work, all the time.
Sponsors seem a bit too closely tied to speaking slots for some people’s tastes. Some speaker/sponsors seem mismatched with their topics.
The final session, which many people take later flights for, did not deliver enough value to justify sticking around. More on this later, because I think this year’s LA closing session reflects much of how the online dating industry thinks and perceives itself.
The buyers and sellers session was sparse, not enough dating sites for sale in attendance. I didn’t go to this but this was the feedback from several people who were there. this is understandable, the dating sites worth buying have been looked at by everyone in the industry and are in general way over-valued.I hear the Google Insights panel was chock-full of interesting data. I need to see that PPT deck for sure.
Patti Stanger, missed this one. Either you love her show or you don’t watch it. I heard it got contentious for a while, at the same time she also basically gave away everything that she has done to get where she is today.
3 Mobile Dating Strategies That Work. Brendan O’Kane, Messmo. Their offering seems just right for certain dating sites wishing to capitalize on mobile. He was swamped with interest during the show. Ted Verani at Jumbuck is a veritable wealth of knowledge, having worked at just about every mobile company ever involved with online dating. I heard they are making $20 million a year with their applications. I’m trying out their Powerchat iPhone app right now, lot’s of kids on there.
Deepak Thomas at Match shared some good stats, I really wanted to sit down one-on-one with him to ask some non-trivial questions. Maybe next time.
Top 10 Decision Criteria For The Selection of Your Mobile Dating Enabler was very good. Christine Loredo at Trilibis knows her business through and through and is a lot of fun to hang around with. Her presentation (marketing) with her compatriot Austin(technology) was a great look into what dating sites need to think about as they develop their mobile dating strategies. The online dating industry simply cannot ignore mobile any longer. I learned a lot and walked away feeling like these were two of the key sessions of the show.
Skout, which offers a mobile dating platform, did not attend, I know Christian and Redg are up to some very cool stuff right now which I’ll be breaking here soon.
Dr. Jim Houran’s session (seen here with Larry Michael from MatchMatrix), Assessing Profiles for Compatibility, was by far the most entertaining. Jim is one of the people I’ve been following for years and it was great to sit down and finally get a chance to connect. I love when I finally get to meet people in person that I’ve only communicated with online. Part of me wishes that his was a panel session with the creators of other testing systems (Fernando and someone from eHarmony or Perfect Match would be a great group to hear from). The overview of various online dating compatibility systems was well received and I applaud Dr. Houran’s willingness to realize this is early times in the matchmaking sciences and his openness was refreshing. This is round one when it comes to compatibility testing, we’ve barely even begun to scratch the surface of what’s possible.
I missed Increasing Customer Retention and various Product Demos, ended up interviewing a few people instead and getting pulled into random conversations.Payment processor demos and talks I skip in general. Vindicia is a solid bet for chargebacks and anti-fraud services and a few the other payment-related vendors are doing very well in the space.
On Friday, Alex Mehr absolutely killed it with his talk, Online Dating & Social Networking: A Marriage Made in Heaven? Best presentation of the show, hands down. The social dating application companies are so far ahead of most dating sites in terms of understanding their customers, viral marketing and the minutiae of working with social networks like Facebook, its no wonder they are gaining market share quickly, especially in the UK.
Alex was super informative and he even sported ripped holes in his jeans to show off his Zoosk boxers. During the session I was sitting near to Cliff at SNAP, makers of Are You Interested. They are doing very well in the space as well. Social gaming and to some extent social dating is huge yet remains underground for the most part. There are tons of small teams out there making millions of dollars off social networking advertising. But they don’t go to iDate. I’m going to be paying a lot more attention to that side of the industry in coming months. That’s where all the action, money, funding and excitement is these days. Check out All Facebook and Inside Facebook to see what I’m talking about.
Viximo talked about virtual goods. I know them well as they are local to Boston, so I went outside and talked to some more people. They hallways, as always, was where the action was. How many more times to dating sites need to hear the pitch to understand the importance of virtual goods?
I missed Marina Glogovac at her talk, Lessons I Learned As The CEO of Lavalife. What were the key takeaways?
I also missed Instant Messaging: “To IM or not to IM” – A Review of All Available Services Suitable for Internet Dating Websites. OnlinePersonalsWatch broke the rumor that AOL was shutting down Userplane and I heard there were various Userplane executives at the session refuting this. Hopefully someone at Userplane will read this and tell me the story. It’s frustrating that I didn’t have the time to talk to them, feels like I fell into some sort of LA time wormhole.
Topicfox emailed me today to announce that due to a conflict of interest with AOL / Userplane, Topicfox will be shutting down operations immediately. That’s too bad, I liked how the system was coming together. Regardless of the Userplane situation, Flashcoms was exhibiting. They have a number of high-profile customers and a full suite of communications services.
CS Identity was an exhibitor, as was Vindicia and a whole bunch of payment providers. Here’s the full list of iDate LA sponsors.
Mike Baldock, who used to run Vintacom, is now a marketing/strategy guy for Courtland Brooks. It was great to catch up with Mike, haven’t seen him in several years and he is one of my favorite people in the industry.
Jonathan from Manhunt, who told a number of fascinating stories about how he started the business and what it takes to keep it running.
This brings us to the final panel. The title was something like “How to go from a $1 billion to a $5 billion industry”. To cut to the chase, it bombed. I actually left early. I *never* leave the final panel early. Colleagues and beer and a chance to let yourself go with a microphone, what’s not to like? this year there was too much ranting, not enough moderation and the session was far too unfocused. The time spent messing around with Google Trends was way off topic and had the audience rolling its eyes often. This has simply got to stop.
I would have replaced the panel of industry insiders with singles, some of which are on dating sites, others that aren’t. The industry people talk about moving the knobs and tweaking the dials, instead of the great shifts of focus required to entice the 60 million people who haven’t tried online dating to come take it for a spin. I do agree with panelists about better CRM systems and there may be some validity to simply increasing conversion rates, but I consider that fiddling with knobs, albeit incredibly powerful ones.
With this stronghold on the industry comes the reasonable expectation that iDate is going to deliver the goods. After attending iDate for several years, I would personally peg the quality of the conference at a C+, maybe a B- if there is a fantastic speaker or two on the schedule. Mostly it’s about the people, not the agenda. The face to face networking is unparalleled. There is simply no other way to see the majority of the online dating industry in the same place at the same time. This is the blessing and the curse of iDate, in a nutshell.
I had lots of other interesting conversations with people which I will get to once I’m settled back in and get a good night’s rest. In the meantime, here’s some of my personal LA experience.
On Wednesday I went over to the UCLA campus to meet with Chuck Rosen. Chuck and his daughter Janey run Showbizzle. In a previous life Chuck produced the original 90210 and Dawson’s Creek. He gave me a great tour of the campus and the sculpture garden.
On Thursday night, after almost knocking over Ron Artest in the lobby and then having dinner 10 feet away from Lindsay Lohan, several of us piled into a car with this guy and went to the Michael Jackson vigil. His badge said Eons, bonus points if you can tell me what his previous gig was.
Thanks to Tai for the ride in the Ferrari. Fast enough to give me the shakes and loud enough to wake the dead. Awesome.
Over the weekend I drove down to Laguna Beach to meet with a client and then hang with a friend I haven’t seen in 20 years. Rob and Bill, it was great to reconnect with you both.
And there you have it, iDate LA 2009, at least part of it. Add your comments about the event, I’m sure other readers and the organizers will appreciate the feedback.
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Flirting at 35,000 Feet
Last week I flew to LA for the iDate LA 2009 conference. This was my first flight on Virgin America and I definitely picked the right day to fly. Virgin offered free wifi and hosting Day In The Cloud with Google. Google Ambassador Paul was a few seats up and the LAX to SFO plane was full of tech media types.
Day In The Cloud is an online scavenger hunt, and quite a fun concept. Players were given an hour to answer 9 levels of questions, multiple questions per level, and a 10th bonus round where creativity counts. The idea of the hunt is to answer questions by using various Google Apps; spreadsheets, GTALK, Calendar and of course Google search . This proved far too difficult for me on 4 hours sleep and no caffeine. I ran out of time and had to skip 4 levels because I was frustrating myself with some of the puzzles, which appear to have been concocted by evil Google engineers who like to torment us non-Mensa types. This made me want to complain to the guy next to me, but he was busy making use of his shiny red Virgin America barf bag.
My score was not so hot, I climbed a miserable 5500 feet and need some schwag to compensate for my poor showing. One free t-shirt and an invite to Grand Central later, I felt better. You can Follow Day In The Cloud on Twitter at @dayinthecloud track the tag #dayinthecloud or better yet, play along on the ground at Day In the Cloud. I’m sure they’ll do something like this again, it was a lot of fun.
About flirting in airplanes. Virgin America has a cool seat-back entertainment system with games, shopping, music and much more. A lot of the features are not currently turned on for some reason. Of the ones that are working the one I like the most so far is the seat-to-seat chat and the chat room. Once I stopped using the wrong controller for the seat next to me and was able to join the general chat room, I was able to talk to a few people. I wouldn’t be against flirting with the woman a few seats up from me, who (I think) was checking me out in the boarding area.
On the way home on the red-eye I chatted up a few random people who joined the general chat room. We never acknowledge each other when we landed, probably because sleep-deprived semi-anonymous late-night chat falls under, “what’s said on the plane stays on the plane”. If you can’t sleep, chatting with random strangers is actually pretty cool.
You can order drinks and snacks from VA consoles, smooth and efficient. I will never fly another airline across country again if I can help it, VA puts all other carriers to shame.
I wish I had talked to 18C, she was single and cute. Talk about a great Craigslist Missed Connections: “You were there blonde, aisle seat, tray table was down, watching CNN. I was playing Mario Brothers, black laptop.” I wonder who the first people will be to get married after meeting in a Virgin Altantic chat room.
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Single Parent Dating Service For The Scorned Woman
While watching TV one night, I saw a report that babies are now considered fashionable accessories, since little tots are now being carried by many of Hollywood’s fashionistas. Nicole Ritchie and Joel Madden have their baby Harlow, while Halle Berry cuddles with little Nahla and boyfriend Gabriel Aubrey. Yes, babies have invaded Hollywood and many women have toyed with the idea of carrying little babies with them, but the celebrities I mentioned are happy in love with their boyfriends and have no need for a single parent dating service. Some girls aren’t so lucky and they end up being single parents.
Where Are All The Erotic Mature Women?
Having recently ended a three-year relationship, I really wanted to spice up my sex life. I don’t know what it is, but lately I’ve had this fantasy of having a fling with an erotic mature lady. Any guys in their 20s looking for older women to hook up with may be sharing my frustration. It seems impossible to find a decent-looking woman in her 40s who is up for casual sex. After checking out a couple sex dating sites, I’ve had little to no luck and I’m starting to think that maybe they simply don’t exist.
Match.com Success Rates
Markus at PlentyOfFish has found some interesting statistics about Match and eHarmony.
56 million first emails sent per year
132 million winks sent per year
12 couples got married or engaged today thanks to Match.com
Users go on 6 million dates each year. ( ya right)
1 in 1369 dates leads to marriage on match.com (6 million / (12*365))
Match.com makes 1 Million dollars a day from subscription revenues.
That is $83,000 in subscription revenue for every marriage that comes out of the site.
These numbers are staggering. Finally, some public transparency about the effectiveness of the two most prominent dating sites. I don’t necessarily have a lot of faith in the raw numbers from either company but I’m glad to see them at least sharing something about their members.
I would like to see those 132 million winks go away permanently, send an email instead and don’t waste people’s time. Either you’re interested enough to send an email or you’re playing around and wasting people’s time. I would love to know how many of those winks turned into actual email conversations.
It’s amazing that Match makes PlentyofFish’s yearly revenue every 10 days.
Read the rest at The Paradigm Shift.
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You Got Your Match in My Facebook
A couple of observations about Match and Facebook before I start getting ready to head to LA for iDate tomorrow.
Today I joined the following Facebook fan pages: Victoria’s Secret, Flipping the Pillow Over to Get to the Cold Side, Short Hair and Being barefoot. Then I added Ze Frank the web celebrity as a friend.
In about 30 seconds everyone interested in me is going to know I like freakishly tall women, short hair, being barefoot and “smart” humor. A quick dive into my profile reveals an incredibly detailed view of who I am, my personality and what I pay attention to. All I had to do is click a button to join a few groups that represent my (supposed) interests.
What dating site offers this kind of look into who I am? None, which is why Facebook needs to make a decision about dating and the several hundred million dollars it could earn each year from offering the service to single members.
There are issues with TMI (Too Much Information) and “oversharing” on Facebook, but that’s mostly because the privacy tools are clunky and impossible to understand. Thats a usability issue wrapped in a technology issue. Fixable but not so big a deal that it’s slowing Facebook growth.
Facebook should create a setting called “dating profile” and enable people to add it to the usual mix of tabs at the top of their public pages. Give them a few new privacy controls to share certain pieces of information on their own terms, and we have something approaching a 200-million-strong dating site with relatively little effort on the part of Facebook. Go team!
Or, perhaps Facebook will strike a deal with a major dating site. Match has deals with MSN and Meetic, why not “own” the dating tab on Facebook profiles? This concerns me, because then it’s Match (or some other monolithic dating site) camping out in a Facebook profile tab. Singles shouldn’t settle for more of the same in a larger pool of singles. The Facebook dating service would absolutely have to offer new ways for singles to search, match and communicate. BigCoDatingSite-in-a-tab is not exactly the sea change the online dating industry needs to grow to the next level.
How could the dating industry respond to Facebook adding a dating feature? Go ask Match or eHarmony to add just 5 new questions to their profiles. That would take three months of meetings just to agree on the questions, then fighting to get added to the development schedule, then testing and QA, then finally rollout. Maybe less but you see what I’m getting at. This is the reality of large companies that lack the nimbleness of smaller scrappier startups. I’ll give it to Match that DownToEarth was a pretty solid skunkworks project, but DTE dropped 100k visitors in April, that more traffic than 95% of all dating sites. So much for the great experiment. Side note: Even in this economy, Match US growth is up 10% last month.
Finally, Facebook Layouts App PageRage Super Profile Spreading Quickly: Installed the Firefox plugin, which enables Myspace-like profile page skinning. Only people with the plugin can see the skins though. Hopefully they create an override setting, looking at acid-flashback profile skins on Myspace is part of the reason why so many people can’t stand it.
Off to pack, I’ll try to post a few times in LA from the show.
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